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I don’t know if any of you have seen this documentary. I always immediately dismissed those who claimed there was some sort of conspiracy associated with the events on 9/11. I felt they were wingnuts. But this is scary shit….and I tend to believe them now and I am someone always skeptical of conspiracies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkp-PXf_qlk&feature=related

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The conspiracy theorists are wrong... search for 9/11 debunked - also check www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYjsS-g6k


Tell me how agents planted demolitions on the floor the fires were raging from the plane collision.. because that's the floor that both building's collapse began on.  If you watch the collapse video it's easy to see the collapses sarted on the floors the planes crashed into (the ones that were on fire and therefore hard to plant demolition charges).

DC has been thoroughly debunked... it's funny how conspiracy theorests say a rocket did it, then ignore all the eyewitnesses who saw the plane fly into the building




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Exactly right John, they are very wrong. I watched Willie Nelson on Larry King (who I try never to watch) and Willie is about as big a wacko conspiracy theorist there is beside Alex Baldwin and he was going on and on how the Bush administration was involved in 911 and said "how do you explain the second tower falling" and Larry King replied "because a plane flew into it". Simply amazing how they overlook the facts that are right there in front of them. It's called Bush Derrangement Symdrome.


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I've never paid any attention to the whole conspiracy thing up till now....so maybe you can help me. Did they recover bodies that were on the aircraft that flew into the towers? We're they consistent with the passenger list?

Did the white house ever supply the information on why the believe Osama bin laden was behind the attack?



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How would they recover bodies in a fire that was hot enough to cremate the bodies??  Even people who were just inside those buildings when the planes flew into them they only found fragments of body parts and as far as I know some people who were confirmed in the building and dead never had any remains found.  Are you saying that the planes never flew into the building??  As far as I know given the video footage of the planes impacting that is not under dispute   I don't think after your plane crashes into a building with tank full of jet fuel then burns for an hour before a 100+ story building collapses on top of you you're going to find much in the way of remains  




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Honestly Joe, I never paid any attention to the conspiracy either nor do I know the answers to those questions. What I do believe is that al qaeda had a long time existing plan to carry out their attacks on America and did so. It is very well documented with records of their details, flight training, etc. Conspiracy theories IMO gain alot of attention because people always want to believe the extreme like Elvis is alive, JFK was shot by more than one person, crop circles, alien abductions and list goes on. This is of course just my opinion and I would like to see other responses to this as well.

BTW, great topic!




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Let's not forget history.

1. The U.S.S. Maine was never blown up by the Spanish but that didn't stop us from entering the Spanish American War. (It turns out the munitions were stored too close to the boilers and there was an explosion that sank the ship).

2. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is a well known lie now but that didn't stop us from entering the Vietnam war.

3. We also have good evidence to suggest that we knew the attack on Pearl harbor was coming.

4. We also now know why the Lusitania sank 90 seconds after the German's hit it with a torpedo.....it was loaded with munitions bound for Great Britain (when we were suppose to be a neutral country).

Our government has a long history of lieing to us to start a war. Our government has always been full of shit. Remember the whole country was founded by a bunch of slave owners that wanted to be free! LOL!



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Most of the conspiracy theories I've seen don't deny that al queda flew those planes into the buildings.  Their main point is they believe the goverment knew and then put in charges in the building to detonate, taking advantage of the attack to build fear.  I don't buy it but that's me... I have read debunks of all the conspiracy claims so those don't hold water with me.  Whether you believe the government knew I don't think can be proven or disproven.  I know I would not want to be in new york next year on the 10 year anniversary




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Well I agree 100% with you there Joe! I would damn sure not want to be in NY for that anniversary, that's for sure!!


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I think you guys might want to take a look at the video. They used the same video we all have seen.... but they've slowed it down.....and clearly you can see an extra piece on the bottom of the fuselage that is not consistent at all with a 757....but consistent with a military plane. Then there was a newscaster from fox that saw the second crash and clearly stated there were no windows on the plane (indicating it was not an airliner). Then there was also an eyewitness that you could plainly hear saying "that was no airliner, that was no airliner". Then there were the group of firemen that heard explosions consistent with imploding a building of tower 7.

I think you guys might want to take an honest look at this thing........remain skeptical but take an honest look at it.

If memory serves me correctly I also don't recall seeing any evidence released proving Bin Laden had anything to do with it. He also denied having anything to do with it....which is contrary to what terrorist usually do.....they like to take credit for the acts they commit because that further serves their purposes.



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Fair enough, I will definitely check it out.


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Don't forget...there was a monkey piloting the second plane.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7160274150347523777#

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John your link pretty much destroyed all the explosion theories. I just watched my third 9/11 conspiracy movie. This one dwelled more on the "we let it happen" or "we were grossly incompetent".

Still would like to find a link to debunk the "different fuselage theory therefore it wasn't an airliner". Then the last one is "no structural damage to the pentagon roof caused by the tail". But that is the weakest of all the arguments I've seen. I've been up all night so I want to get some sleep. I'll search tomorrow.

I'm always behind the times so you guys probably already realize this but I just signed for Netflix streaming video. It costs only $9 a month and you have to buy a player for your TV. ($90). Then you have access to thousands of movies that you can stream off the internet right to your TV. The quality of picture and audio has been just fine. But you don't have access to a lot of the newer movies. That's about the only draw back. But there's still a ton of movies and TV shows and also a lot of history channel documentaries.


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The whole 911 thing stinks imo. How did building 7 come down so easy.No plane hit it and the fire wasn't enough to bring it down.

If you think JFK was shot by a lone nut gunman you must be a moron to believe that absurd lone gunman theory.

US government elite are powerful enough to get away with things and keep them covered up from the general public. US government won't tell you the truth,yet they are the ones most people expect answers/truth from,lol.


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Going Cue Ball said:
If you think JFK was shot by a lone nut gunman you must be a moron to believe that absurd lone gunman theory.

Now come on, no need to turn this thread ugly by name calling. We are just having an adult discussion in which we do not all agree bro.

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Who did I name call?(I was talking in general terms,even though you mentioned it above) Warren Commission is a joke.

You need to do more research on the topic.No way one lone nut gunman pulled the whole thing off by himself.

All the Parkland Dr's/nurses who saw JFK first right after the shooting and some people at the autopsy say the back right rear of JFK's head was blown out. Frontal headshot.More than one gunman.



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Ah, no worries bro, I read the post fast and was in the middle of 50 other things. My appologies Going Cue Bald.


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Actually if I saw it was you who worte it I would not have given it a second thought,


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Cue Ball, I agree that JFK was shot by more than one gunman. Still, your statement(s) could have been worded a tad differently, perhaps less moronically.

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Lee Harvey Oswald had a twin brother who loved to climb little hills. Actually there wasn't a little hill there at the time. The twin was killed and quickly buried there..hence..the hill. And how was it that they knew they were going to need the sod at that time...???

Actually it may have been Lee that was buried there.


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watch the limo driver closely in the Zapruder film.... the timing is ridiculous....was it a sun reflection or a silver .45?


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By the way im not supporting any conspiracy.... it just looks like the limo driver blows Jfk's brains out..... zix you should check out the zeitgeist movies .. i think they are both on google video... they go way deep into all of this stuff... it's really interesting



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The limo driver theory is a joke.Wrong trajectory.

First hand witnesses like Dr's,nurses say an entrance wound in the right temple. Even JFK's press secretary is on film shortly after pointing to his right temple.

The only trajectory I can see which could blow out the back right rear of the head is a frontal shot from the Elm Street storm drain.(not the grassy knoll) That storm drain provided an underground escape to the Trinity River for an assassin.

Funny how in later motorcades storm drain and sewer openings were covered up.

Don't put much faith in the Z film,if you closely research that it's more than likely been altered.


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lol wake up guys, you should know better.

Having a degree in engineering I didn’t know beams collapse like that, must be new.




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Actually my Father in Law is an Architect and actually worked in the Trade Centers when they were being built and he said they buildings were designed to "fall in on themselves" or implode in case of a plane hitting them or any other disaster to not cause as much damage in the surrounding area.

Just thought I would add that, I do NOT have a degree in Architecture so I do not understand it completely but that is what I was told.



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911=Domestic attack. The Tape of Bin Laden allegedly taking credit is a joke. It didn't even look like him and the guy in the video was right-handed. Osama is left-handed. They found human remains on the buildings surrounding ground zero. Shattered bones on rooftops. When the building is falling (at freefall) some segments of the grid is falling even faster. White smoke is also trailing off the ends of the cut steel. Molten hot liquid metal under all three buildings gives it away that thermite or other compounds were used to bring the towers down.


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Time for a history lesson.

Do a search for "Operation Northwoods" and see what the US Joint Chiefs of Staff dreamed up in JFK's' time. JFK wanted nothing to do with it from what I've read.

Maybe the old plans were dusted off decades later?


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I think all of this can be blamed on domestic crack.




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Jacob said:
I think all of this can be blamed on domestic crack.

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All of what?

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The New World Order is coming soon, but I'm not sure as soon as I once thought. There seems like much work needs to be done to get it completed. George Bush signed the North American Union bill a few years back so it is moving forward (not that I want it to). It was reported on only once or twice. Check youtube. Crop circles have to be the art of the future rulers of the world. Some words written in a crop circle fashion were in freemason language. There is no way the circles are done by average people (hoaxers). The affected crops are genetically changed, woven in a complex manner, and 9 synthetic chemicals along with iron are present in comparison to the control group around the circles. 911 was a big stepping stone to the eventually of a UN run world. Global warming is just another political tool. Population control is of utmost importance and the population must be reduced dramatically to allow control. Look for vaccines or other means to wipe out large amounts of people. Biowarfare would be ideal for these nuts. Chemtrails are frequent as well these days. Heavy metals like aluminum messes with ones brain and conducts Electromagnetic radiation better. Mind control through these means have been employed in the past. Barium cases immune problems. This world is getting crazy.



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Goa'uld said:
Actually my Father in Law is an Architect and actually worked in the Trade Centers when they were being built and he said they buildings were designed to "fall in on themselves" or implode in case of a plane hitting them or any other disaster to not cause as much damage in the surrounding area. Just thought I would add that, I do NOT have a degree in Architecture so I do not understand it completely but that is what I was told.

 

Yeah some of that's right but I believe the design was originally made to take a hit from a plane and not fall. I believe the engineers that designed the twin towers stated that on many interviews.

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In the worst plane crashes in history, they have always managed to find the 'black boxes.' Why couldn't they then find them for 9-11? There is actually a NYC ground worker who has given testimony that he was on site the day that the FBI found the black boxes. They were smiling like kids in a candy store according to this witness, and they disappeared very quickly with the boxes minutes after they were found. The public was led to believe that they were destroyed/never found.

I believe planes flew into the buildings, but I absolutely cannot believe it is physically possible for towers supported by solid steel and iron beams to collapse in on itself the way they did. They were struck near the 80th and 93rd (approx) floors!!! The structure above would become unstable and tip over in real-life. Also, real engineers will tell you that even with jet-fuel as a catalyst, 1.5 hours is not enough time to melt the steel beams to cause structural collapse.

Great article www.911review.com/articles/jm/mslp_1.htm

And to overtake an entire plane full of people with box-cutters? A terrorist group running nation-destroying plans out of caves in Afghanistan? Bullshit. A convienient cover-up and an easy sell to an American public held ever captive by their televisions, their government, and their lack of imagination. We are a society of dumbed-down sheeple, too wrapped up in our jobs, our finances, and our day-to-day chaos to care about what may really be happening in the world.

The world has always been run by the wealthy elite, and always will be. They are using the non-exsistant 'war on terror' to divert American funds to something extremely sinister. Who knows what that may be? I pray for intervention, divine or otherwise. I too, am fascinated by the crop circles and other phenomena, as I do believe a higher power may be trying to tell us something.

Wake up!



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Cueball, whovian, Lava, Bob...you guys all make some good points.


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And ppl laugh at the questioning of Obama's past...the birth certificate..etc. Ahem.


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Do you think the govt. will ever try and kind of shut down our freedom on the internet? And only let us use some watered down Disney version of it?



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